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March 19, 2009

"On Ending Suffering: Ways to Help Ourselves and Others"

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Dee & Kids - iKikfrd- i was hoping not to have to wake you...lol
Dee & Kids - Hi everyone
Dr. Liz - Hi, everyone!
kikfrd - hello! I was playing solitaire forever to make sure I didn't take a quick nap
Dee & Kids - Dr Liz- how is your daughter?
Dr. Liz - Dee, thank you for asking. She checked herself out of the hospital on Monday. She's better. The situation is definitely not resolved however.
Dr. Liz - kikfrd LOL
kikfrd - should she have stayed in the hospital longer?
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd, depends. In once sense, maybe. In another sense, no.
kikfrd - ok. it makes sense but it is so tough to watch the roller coaster
Dr. Liz - In the "no" sense, her son (my grandson) had his 6th birthday on Tuesday. She flat out refused to be in the hospital for his birthday. She felt he was already upset enough having her in the hospital.
Dee & Kids - thank you for all the prayers sent to our friend that we requested prayers for, it seems he's getting better, need some amputation, but improving a bit
Dr. Liz - In the "yes" sense, she left before they were able to come up with a program to stabilize her over the long term.
Dr. Liz - Although it's not clear they could have anyway, since they haven't yet, and they've had a number of years to try to figure it out.
Dee & Kids - has she tried changing doctors, maybe someone with a fresh approach?
kikfrd - like I said... tough
Dr. Liz - Now me, of course, I feel that life style changes including dietary changes, plus herbs and supplements, plus different stress management techniques, are the answer.
Dr. Liz - She feels working with an endocrinologist and finding the right prescription drugs is the answer.
Dr. Liz - Dee, yes.
kikfrd - I can definately second the stress management!
Dee & Kids - Dr Liz- I agree with the validity and usefulness of your "plan"
Dr. Liz - Dee, I'm glad you friend is doing better. :)
Dr. Liz - Dee, my "plan" has seen numerous people get completely off insulin and live diabetes-free lives.
Dee & Kids - too bad that your daughter doesn't see that as a plan for her
Dr. Liz - However, at the moment, Nicole shows only surface interest in what the holistic world has to offer.
kikfrd - sometimes that's all it takes... well, that and patience
Dee & Kids - its amazing that when conventional medicine falls short, that it isnt natural for everyone to consider alternative routes
Dr. Liz - Dee, I was in the very unusual situation of being an advocate for her in the hospital which I didn't want her to be in, getting care I don't believe in, and having the correct drugs I don't believe in, administered to her in a timely and appropriate fashion, because SHE believed in it. Whew.
kikfrd - what a good mom and friend
Dee & Kids - amazing what love can do
Dr. Liz - Dee, she feels she'll have to make life-style changes she's not willing to make.
kikfrd - and guide
Dee & Kids - Dr Liz- i know that can be the biggest challenge...knowing that they need to change something...and not seeing that what they stick to is hurting htem
Dr. Liz - I offered to her, that if she'll be very clear with me, on the exact life style choices she's not willing to make, that I can figure out something that will help her.
Dee & Kids - and how did she receive that?
Dr. Liz - She said that the remedy I created for her, to raise her blood sugar gently, worked perfectly, and tasted awful. Both are true.
Dr. Liz - I told her I can some up with something to manage the sugar spikes and offset the ketoacidosis.
Dr. Liz - She's not sure she's interested.
Dr. Liz - It was actually fun for me, and quite a challenge, to come up with something that would work for her, at the "low" end of the sugar drops.
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Dee & Kids - it sounds like her medical condition is serious, and the fact that she has kids, you wouold hope that would be enough to encourage her to at least try
Dr. Liz - I am convinced I can come up with something that will work at the other end, too ... the sugar spikes. She says that's what insulin is for. I pointed out to her, that the insulin is clearly not working long-term.
Dee & Kids - what did you "come up with"?
Dr. Liz - Dee, my feelings exactly. She has been in a coma state a few times with the DKA (diabetic ketoacidosis). It is a life-threatening illness.
Dee & Kids - wow
Dr. Liz - Dee, I took a page from my herbalist grandmother and manufacturing chemist biological father, and concocted something here.
kikfrd - I was on the phone with my mother for over an hour tonight trying to explain how a few simple adjustments could make such a world of difference. Instead of listening she became annoyed at times. It's like being a fire swallower or something... you just have to be so careful with your words.
Dr. Liz - Both of them have passed on, and are available only through the gene pool and spiritual guidance. There were a lot of other angels and guides involved however.
Dr. Liz - It took me 5 days to make it perfect.
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd, the smallest of changes, can have the biggest result ... the butterly flapping its wings scenario.
Dee & Kids - well Kudos on your persistence and openess to figure it out!
kikfrd - absolutely! good going
Dr. Liz - Dee, I know I can. I've already identified some herbs and some minerals that will work for her, even given her preferences to smoke, drink coffee, etc.
kikfrd - I'm trying
Dr. Liz - I've offered to buy them for her, too, because I know that's an issue for her.
Dr. Liz - The changes have to come from within. I seem to keep re-learning that ... the changes have to come from within. We cannot make a person change.
Dee & Kids - you can lead a horse to water....
Dr. Liz - Addictions ... coffee, cigarettes, soda ... they can be so difficult for people.
Dr. Liz - I feel to add even prescription drugs, to that list, too.
Dee & Kids - i agree Dr Liz
Dr. Liz - What makes it worse, is that the nature of human nature, is to be addictive. The choice we have with it, is whether we're going to be addicted to "good" things, in which case we call it "good habits" or "discipline", or "bad" things, in which case we call it addictions.
Dr. Liz - And for some, I'm learning, even certain cooked foods, are addictive.
kikfrd - I used tough love and I was on my game tonight. I explained how I know what is going through her mind, and I understand the thoughts that go through her head, and I don't feel sorry for her at all. I feel bad. I know she hurts. And I am always here to help. I explained how my new way of thinking does not allow me to bear her pain and if my sister and step father keep going the way they are going, they won't be bearing it much longer either. HA!
Dr. Liz - For example, many diabetes, are "addicted" to cooked refined white flour products. So when they tell you they're not eating sugar, and they still have trouble with their blood sugar levels, they just don't realize that eating refined white flour, is like putting tablespoons of sugar into your body, because of the way the body processes it.
kikfrd - Spaghetti
teesh - I don't want to be rude and butt in on the conversation. But I would like to know i there are any physhics who can get into someone's head and make them see reality and what they need to do?
Dee & Kids - great kikfrd!
teesh - "if"
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd, that sounds VERY clear. Feels like you were in your own energy, although not without a "tug" here or there.
Dr. Liz - Teesh, there are some things you can do to influence another, or to create an opening in someone to hear an idea.
Dr. Liz - I'm doing them for my daughter, and I DID get her to take the remedy I made ... and it worked perfectly for her.
kikfrd - LOL! I was getting help from all of my guides, earthly ones included :-)
Dr. Liz - Teesh, what are you wanting to accomplish?
Dee & Kids - One must want change and tehn they are open to hearing and learning how they can help themselves
teesh - I myself can do, of do I need to find someone? I'm getting the feeling of urgency
kikfrd - Teesh, this is exactly what I am battling with my mother
Dee & Kids - kikfrd - that conversation shows you are not only learning, but applying...teaching
teesh - I can't seem to type tonight, I'm so upset
Dr. Liz - Dee, prayer ... which we do here ... and surrogate energy work, can and does make a difference. So does the energy of blessings, which we've discussed here before, it's by far the most powerful way to influence another ... and it is what I do ... naturally now ... with Nicole.
kikfrd - a few splashes of bach here and there doesn't hurt
teesh - This concens someone who has let the "protector" personality of himself which keeps him from emotion take over, and now he is back on drugs
teesh - He had a very abusive and neglectful childhood
Dr. Liz - Our topic tonight is actually what helps us keep going through experiences of suffering. All of us here, already know, that suffering starts in our own mental conversations. Without the conversation that something's wrong, it wouldn't be, because the nature of the Universe, is the perfection of what's so.
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd ... very true. I consider Bach part of the "energy work" arsenal.
Dr. Liz - My original idea was to have all of us share, how each of us does it ... what works, what doesn't work ... when we are in an experience of suffering.
kikfrd - Teesh, unfortunately I think to be true to another being, we must allow them to make thier own choices.
Dr. Liz - An example might be Teesh, with her conversation of compassion mixed with frustration and caring, and wanting a different result, for her person she's referncing.
kikfrd - 8 years ago I had a bit of a nervous breakdown. I couldn't sleep for longer than 20 minutes and even then it was in a hammock outside. Needless to say I am stronger now because I'm not afraid to be homeless :-)
teesh - it's complicated,because the personality he develeoped asa child to protect him from abuse, is the one making the decisions,and I feel it's very urgent that I can find someone to break thru that
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd, precisely. "Allow them to make their own choices" is very important. That doesn't mean we "sit by and do nothing" however. Our job is to manage our own minds, so that WE can be in the most empowered possible state, on the topic, of the situation or person as we see it.
Dee & Kids - Dr Liz- what would be a fair charge for a consultation with someone to determine what Bach remedies to use?
Dr. Liz - Dee, that depends on whether it's an initial consultation or a follow-up consultation.
Dee & Kids - if we are clear and strong, we can be of best service to others
Dee & Kids - initial...
kikfrd - When I am speaking at my "clearest" I like to think I just plant seeds and hopefully some take hold.
Dr. Liz - Dee, yes.
Dr. Liz - That doesn't mean I always want to have the conversations that need to be had, however. Sometimes I stall.
teesh - I put him in the healing list tonight, but didn't include myself, yet I feel this worry is consuming me
Dr. Liz - And then when I'm very clear, that's when I'll move to initiate the "conversation".
kikfrd - Timing is everything.
kikfrd - teesh, you are of no help if you loose control
Dr. Liz - Teesh, that's why I said a few lines back, that our opportunity in situations like yours, or for any of us actually, is to manage our OWN minds/emotions.
kikfrd - Sorry Dr. Liz-is Kiki doing a shout out to you or to me?
Dr. Liz - For me, often, meditative inquiry works well to help me determine an action or response.
teesh - I know, but I'm having strong feelings that time is of the essence and I need to find a way to intervene
Dee & Kids - what woul dbe a fair fee for an initial consultation....
Dr. Liz - Something I learned from Sathya Sai Baba, is that we actually have 4 responses regarding an action and each is equally weighted ... Yes, No, Wait, and Wait.
Dr. Liz - The "Wait" means to wait on the Universe, and ask again at another time. It is a very profound spiritual concept, one that often gets lost today, but that spiritual masters and indiginous peoples know to do naturally.
teesh - Is everyone here besides me tonight psychic?
Dr. Liz - Dee, you could charge that on the basis of the time you feel you'll spend, listening to the person, sensing the person, and deriving the appropriate tinctures or mixes. The Bach centre in London, feels that a thorough and complete initial session should be 2 hours. No one in the U.S. really does it that way. Most people spend about 30 minutes.
Dee & Kids - i agree a meditative stae can put you in the energy of openesss and you can access the correct course of action from this state
Dr. Liz - Some especially if it's someone or an animal or a situation with which they are somewhat familiar, make the sensings and recommendations far more quickly than that.
Dee & Kids - ok, so what "should" a 30 min consult average in dollars?
Dr. Liz - Teesh, everyone is born intuitive. It
Dee & Kids - i see how that is
Dr. Liz - It's just a matter of who's opened to reclaiming the birth gift.
Dr. Liz - Dee, for what facilitator, and at what skill level?
Dee & Kids - nicely worded Dr Liz- "opened to reclaiming"
kikfrd - Oh-she's good
Dee & Kids - intermediate skill level, they will also be using sensing techniques to determine need
Dr. Liz - Is the facilitator also going to be selling the client the remedies or tinctures?
Dee & Kids - Dr Liz- does they energy of prayer actually work to directly influence or open someone?/
Dee & Kids - dr Liz- yes (providing the remedies)
Dr. Liz - Dee, yes.
Dee & Kids - so how does imposing of the prayer GIVERS will not too much?
teesh - Dee and Kids......."open" someone is just what I need to do
Dee & Kids - if the person being prayed for resists something, and someone prays for them to accept..what happens there?
Dr. Liz - $45 - $65 including the remedies mixed as a tincture in a 30ml bottle named and labelled and with instructions is what comes to mind.
Dr. Liz - For an intermediate level person.
Dr. Liz - The 30 minutes then would include the statement of the problem, the interview, the discernment, the mixing, the instructions, and completion.
Dee & Kids - Dr Liz- that is the info I needed..thank you!
Dee & Kids - teesh- and if you try to Open someone gently- it works better
Dr. Liz - Dee, I have found it is more important for the pray-er to accept, than the pray-ee.
teesh - I have to do it remotely mainly though
Dee & Kids - getting someone to see that theyy may be the cause of their own problems can be almost impossible, but if you approach gently- you may have a chance at being heard
kikfrd - Dr. Liz, I'm sorry but I did what I think I could for Kiki but she's still butting in here...is she reaching out?
Dr. Liz - I believe the Blessings is the best approach. Nothing beats it, actually. There are some surrogate things that can be done, meaning, doing rituals or processes in surrogate form, for someone else. These can be very powerful.
Dee & Kids - so- to open someone- what Blessing should be used...(rather than prayer)?
Dr. Liz - Teesh, sone of the most powerful energy work done today, is done remotely.
Dr. Liz - Dee, we have an entire Chat'N'Pray on that. I don't remember which date it is.
Dr. Liz - In a nutshell, the Blessings, is what WE do, regarding the pray-ee. We find things that we absolutely are in 100% resonance with, regarding the pray-ee, and whenever any thought of the pray-ee arises, we allow ourselves only the thoughts of the Blessings. It's amazing how powerful that is.
Dee & Kids - teesh-remotely can be very powerful, you aren't influenced with direct rejection, you can send out your prayer, energy, blessing etc and be surrounded with the field of love that you generate for teh person/situation...keeps it pure i think
Dr. Liz - It is a form of prayer, the Blessings, although we create it ourselves, and initiate it ourselves.
Dee & Kids - wow Dr Liz
Dr. Liz - People sense when you judge them.
Dr. Liz - No matter the distance.
Dr. Liz - Judging doesn't work.
Dr. Liz - Hmmmmm .... LOL ... the human experience, in three sentences. TOOOOO funny.
Dee & Kids - sweet and to the point
Dr. Liz - Teesh I feel to offer you something you can do, which may seem very odd to you at first, that may help your friend.
Dr. Liz - Your friend has issues with drugs and possibly addiction, yes?
Dee & Kids - and a wall goesw up the second someone feels tha tjudgement
kikfrd - If not Teesh's friend, I do. :-) what's the advise
Dr. Liz - Is Teesh still on?
kikfrd - oh no! I wonder if I'm teesh's freind!
kikfrd - LOL! sorry Couldn't resist
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd ... ?
Dee & Kids - please share anyway Dr Liz- of course all your info is of value to us
kikfrd - yes?
Dr. Liz - Well, to do what I am about to suggest, Dee would need to do it for you, Kikfrd. LOL.
kikfrd - at a discount I hope!
Dee & Kids - lets hear what she has to say first kikfrd...LOLOLOL
Dr. Liz - I feel to share something I've done, to help Nicole.
Dr. Liz - Nicole likes her addictions.
Dr. Liz - So I looked at myself, and wondered, what am I addicted to, that I can give up, and give the energy of that, to her?
teesh - I lost the converstaion and had to refresh
Dr. Liz - Okay ... Teesh ... your friend has issues with drugs and possibly addictions, yes?
teesh - Yes,drugs to mask the pain
Dr. Liz - Teesh, what are you addicted to?
Dr. Liz - Every human is addicted at some level to something.
Dr. Liz - For some it is tea, for some coffee, for some 3 spoonfuls of sugar, for some it is cigarettes, for some it is behaviors.
teesh - No, it's not ME, it someone in my life I am trying to help
Dr. Liz - For some of course it is drugs, prescription or otherwise.
Dr. Liz - Teesh, that's my point.
Dr. Liz - What are YOU addicted to?
teesh - and I feel like this time it is urgent that I intervene quickly
Dee & Kids - <----Chapstick addict...LOL
teesh - Should I just do nothing? I feel it's a matter of life and death
kikfrd - teesh, is anyone besides this person in danger?
Dr. Liz - Teesh, then you may need to make calls to the social services organizations in your friend's geographical area when they are next open.
Dr. Liz - Teesh if you truly feel it's a matter of life and death, there are 24-hour intervention and crises centers all over North America.
teesh - No,just he is.......
Dr. Liz - Dee ... LOL ... for me, it was a second cup of coffee in the morning.
Dr. Liz - So to finish what I was sharing, if we want someone else to do something, the most powerful thing we can do, is to do it ourselves, and gift the energy to them.
Dr. Liz - For me, I gave up drinking a second cup of coffee immediately, and I've gifted that energy to Nicole.
kikfrd - I like how she kept the first cup of coffee though
Dee & Kids - LOLkikfrd....
Dr. Liz - Nicole has already responded energetically ... she's decided she's not going to smoke in her apartment any more.
Dee & Kids - thats a good start
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Marge - Hi all, sorry to be so late
Dr. Liz - It's a baby step ... which is what is going to work for her ... giving up a second cup of coffee for me, is representative of a baby step in releasing addictions... not smoking inside her apartment, is a baby step for her ... and we already know here, how very powerful, baby steps can be.
kikfrd - Hi Marge!
Dr. Liz - Marge, you are always most welcome, whenever you arrive!
Marge - Thank You!
Dee & Kids - Hi Marge
Dr. Liz - I haven't had the conversation with her, of what I did. I just did it, and gifted the energy to her.
Dee & Kids - how does one "gift that energy" to someone else???
Dr. Liz - Overlay it onto them with your heart/mind.
teesh - I was just going to ask that
kikfrd - can you also just send the intention for now?
Dr. Liz - Teesh, gently I offer, if we see something in someone else, it is inside us, too, or we couldn't see it. So if you see addictive behaviors in your friend, you have them somewhere, too ... although probably not the same ones. It may be, Teesh, that your favorite addictions, may be mental conversations that run around and around in your mind, repetitively.
Dee & Kids - when did you "give up" your addiction in relation to when she "gave up" hers??
Dr. Liz - I gave up mind Monday. She told me Tuesday she had decided to not smoke inside her apartment.
Dr. Liz - I meant "mine" not mind ... although I gave up "mind" too in one sense! too funny!
Dee & Kids - hmmm....
Dee & Kids - LOL Dr Liz
kikfrd - I had to think about it but Mind Monday did make sense LOL!
teesh - I could not help but see it because he would come into the house and fall down,and I knew about it all. I care so much that it is making me ill. This tough love thing just doesn't always work that people tell you to do
Dr. Liz - Dee, I'm not sure it truly was an addiction, but when I stopped drinking the second cup, I released it energetically as if it were an addiction.
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd, it does, doesn't it? LOL
Dr. Liz - Teesh, the balance is being in action appropriately, and dropping resistance to the behaviors.
Dr. Liz - What we resist, persists. No exceptions.
Dee & Kids - teesh- it is hard to approach situations sometimes removing the drama, and dealing with just the facts
Dr. Liz - All ... it's time for the Prayer portion of our Chat'N'Pray.
kikfrd - Teesh, i think i used to be in your shoes. Tell me, what good are you if you take on so much of the other persons responsibility that it makes you ill?
teesh - I did the tough love thing and threw him out, but now he's worse
Dee & Kids - then tough love would be easier....
Dr. Liz - Please take a moment now and choose a Name, that works for you, to represent all that is sacred and holy and divine in your life, and key it into the Chatroom now.
kikfrd - Holy Universe
Dr. Liz - Sacred Universe.
Marge - Holy Spirit, Sacred Universe
Dee & Kids - sometimes it hurts to see someone suffer at their own hand, but maybe there is a lesson in it for him, and he must resolve it himself
teesh - LOVE
Dee & Kids - Divine Universal Love
Dr. Liz - (Dee, there's clearly a lesson for Teesh, too.)
Dr. Liz - Please take a moment now, to breathe in deeply, and out completely, 3 times, while saying/thinking/feeling, the energy of your Divine.
Dr. Liz - Holy Universe, Sacred U niverse, Holy Spirit, Divine Universal Love, LOVE, we call on you now.
Dr. Liz - We say our password, "You are in Us, We are In You. We combine together!"
Dr. Liz - And with this password, it is so. The energies infill us even more.
Dr. Liz - We feel them in every portion of our bodies.
Dr. Liz - We now radiate out even beyond ourselves, becoming love radiators.
Dr. Liz - We have smiles on our faces, knowing that the energy of happiness, of smiling, is so powerful.
Dr. Liz - Our hearts open.
Dr. Liz - Our minds rest.
Dr. Liz - We allow.
Dr. Liz - Before me is the Basket of Blessings.
Dr. Liz - We now take a momnent, and direct into those in the Basket, this beautiful radiating love we all now feel.
Dr. Liz - The highest right order of healing grace, in perfect ways, now flows to those in the basket ... animals, people, and situations.
Dr. Liz - And it is so.
Dr. Liz - Amen.
Dee & Kids - Ame
Dee & Kids - Amen
Dr. Liz - It is time now, to enter the names or short descriptions of any other person, animal, or situation, for whom healing prayer is requested.
Marge - and it is so, amen
Dr. Liz - Teesh and her friend, for experiences of powerful healing resonance.
teesh - Steven to see the light and the need to stop the drugs and open up to the love
kikfrd - For Chris and his family, that they have to strength to deal with his new illness
Dr. Liz - For Nicole, to know that she is deeply loved, without judgement.
Dee & Kids - for Scott-continued healing and support, mental and emotional strength to handle his present situation, finding strength in the loved ones around him
kikfrd - For Fred, that he may learn to trust me again
teesh - For everyone here and their loved ones
Dee & Kids - Dfor Nicole- that she be blessed with openess to accept the correct healing path for her
kikfrd - For Kiki, that she may find this new found energy and teach me more!
teesh - for my mother,and an improvement in her health
Marge - For kitty cat, Heidi, for continued healing
Dee & Kids - for teesh's friend- intervention of Grace to help him
Dee & Kids - for all our prayers here- that they be answered with Grace
Dr. Liz - For the family of Natasha Richardson, stunned in their grief, and for her soul, on the next phase of its journey.
kikfrd - for my mom, that she may have the courage to face her own mind and not give up before hand
Dee & Kids - for Lee's friend, suffering pain (physical & emotional) that the cause be released and healing be so
Dr. Liz - For those of us here, that we may experience an increase in our abilities to manage our own minds ... to be clear ... and to act appropriately on our clarity, with grace and compassion.
Dee & Kids - amen Dr Liz
Marge - amen to that, Liz, and thank you
teesh - thank you to all
Dr. Liz - I'm going to poke fun at myself now ... and even though I don't trust sentences beginning "If only" ... I DO feel sometimes that "If only I would manage my mind better ..." ... LOL LOL LOL
kikfrd - amen to it all!
Dr. Liz - Well, maybe I"m not the only one here who's had that thought ... LOL
Marge - lol, lol, lol ... I can ditto that too, lol, lol
Dr. Liz - Teesh, you're welcome.
Dr. Liz - Teesh, if you truly feel it's life and death, you must notify intervention services where your friend lives.
teesh - I have tried, but without money, there is no real help
Dr. Liz - Teesh, there are a number of free intervention services in almost all communities in North America.
Dr. Liz - At least it's a start.
teesh - I have tried and tried,and will keep trying
Dr. Liz - Well ... gently I offer ... Yoda says, there is no try. There is only do or not do.
teesh - I know the concept. I have told him that many times
Dr. Liz - Teesh ... find a do-ing, not a try-ing.
Marge - that saying is really true when you think about it
kikfrd - Teesh-learn what lesson there may be in it for you and if you figure that out maybe you can approach it from a different angle
Dr. Liz - Teesh, I'm not talking about him, I"m talking about you.
Dr. Liz - Kikfrd, exactly.
Dr. Liz - Teesh, if you want to help him, start wtih yourself.
kikfrd - i am doing it everyday and it works wonders
Dr. Liz - I'm clear you don't understand how important and powerful that is now. Perhaps after you've slept on it, you will.
kikfrd - it's amazing what a good chat can do for you :-)
Dr. Liz - I will share a story. A powerful guru was approached by a mother distraught because her son was addicted to sugar ... he put sugar on everything ... wouldn't eat anything without it.
Dr. Liz - She sought the guru's blessing on her son. She was so upset. He will rot his teeth, she complained. He will make himself sick, she complained.
Dr. Liz - The guru said to her, "Come back in three days."
Dr. Liz - She left.
Dr. Liz - In three days' time, the woman returned.
Dr. Liz - "Why did you want me to come back in three days?" she asked.
Dr. Liz - "Because I had to give up sugar myself. Otherwise I couldn't create the blessing for him to do it," the guru replied.
Marge - that's good, Liz. thank you for sharing
Dee & Kids - the power of understanding
Dr. Liz - So Teesh, you may not be doing drugs, as I mentioned before. But there is something that you can do, to change yourself, and it will help your friend, as a blessing. Perhaps even to give up the adrenalin of the drama and the suffering. There will be something you can do for yourself, starting with yourself. Please sleep on this concept, so that when you awaken in the morning, you understand its extraordinary wisdom and effectiveness.
Dee & Kids - be open to what YOU can do...if you resist, then you must understand why your friend it too
Dr. Liz - Dee, precisely.
Dee & Kids - oops-- why your friend resists also
teesh - Thank You, but I am empahthic in many ways, so it is hard to just wait and not suffer
Dr. Liz - Teesh, everyone here is extraordinarily emphathetic. We are not asking you to not be emphathetic.
Dee & Kids - it makes sense Dr Liz- that once you can put yourself into the energetic of understanding what they are going through, you can be much more helpful coming from a place of understanding
Dr. Liz - No one is telling you to wait. We are suggesting that you find appropriate action clearly for him, perhaps by the means of 24-hour intervention services that every community has; and to hold a higher resonance of energy within yourself.
Marge - "the adrenalin of the drama and suffering" ... i.e. the mind not letting go of that, ... the mind instead creating more?
Dr. Liz - Dee, there's more to it. It's the gifting of the energy of the similars ... like cures l ike.
Dr. Liz - The entire basis of homeopathy.
Dee & Kids - right
Dr. Liz - Marge, yes.
Dr. Liz - All, thank you for being here for this Chat'N'Pray. Blessings to all of you, for your commitment, and for the who that you are, that you bring to the world.
Dr. Liz - I will be signing off shortly. The chatroom will remain open for those who feel to stay.
Dr. Liz - See you next time. I love you all.
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Marge - thank you Liz, Blessings to you too and to all
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Dee & Kids - thank you for creating this forum for us to join and share Dr Liz
kikfrd - Thank you all so much. I think I'm off to bed.
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teesh - thanks to all
Dee & Kids - night all
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